ESTONIA – A SHORT DESCRIPTION
By Helga on Wednesday, July 9 2008, 00:23 - Permalink
Estonia is a very small Baltic country entered into the European Union in 2004. Estonia covers a territory of only 45,226 sq km and there are only 1.342.409 inhabitants (data of 2007) – less than in some European cities and towns. Estonia's population ranks among the smallest in the world.
Estonia stretches 350 km from east to west and 240 km from north to south. Estonia borders Russia in the north and west and Latvia in the south. Finland is at a distance of 85 km on the opposite shore of the Gulf of Finland of Baltic sea.
Estonia is at the same latitude in Europe as central Sweden and the northern tip of Scotland.
The most part of surface is relatively flat — almost two thirds of the territory lies less than 50 m above sea level. The highest point is the mountain Munamägi (Mountain - Egg, the name corrispondes with the form) 317 m above sea level, in the southeast of the country.
There are more than 1500 lakes (about 1/10 part of the territory) and more than 1000 islands (about 1/20 part of the territory) in Estonia. The biggest in size island is Saaremaa island (2900 sq. km), the second is Hiiumaa island, follow Muhu and Vormsi.
The islands and coastal areas of Estonia are on the migratory route for waterfowl. In spring and autumn incalculable quantity of birds stop in Estonia.
The largest of lakes is the lake Peipsi (name in Estonian) – Chudzkoe (name in Russian), which is the fourth largest freshwater lake in Europe, it is situated on the border with Russia.
The biggest city is Tallinn - Estonia's capital, it’s well-preserved medieval city. There are about 400.000 inhabitants in Tallinn. Other important towns are Tartu (about 101 140 inhabitants), Pärnu (about 45 040 inhabitants) , Narva (68 117) and Kohtla – Järve (45 500) . The country is divided into 15 counties and there are 47 towns.
Estonian language belongs to the Finno-Ugric language family, it’s radiccaly different from Russian and from other Baltic languages (Latvian and Lituanian). Estonian is written in the Roman alphabet and not in Cyrillic one, there are some more letters than in English: ä, ö, õ, ü. Estonian and Finnish resembles one another. Ungarian is very unlike. There are two dialects – the southern and the northern.
The Estonian coat of arms was officially accepted in 1925 – the three blue lions on a gold shield circled by two gold oak’s branches. In heraldy the lion is the symbol of courage and authority, of power and nobility. For the first time the image of lions was used in 1219 (during the Danish dominion) as part of the coat of arms of the city of Tallinn.
The Estonian flag is composed with three strips: black, blue and white – these are the national and folk colors of Estonia. Just in the ancient times sacred trees were decorated with ribbons in these colors. In 1881 the Estonian Students' Union adopted blue, black and white as the colours of their movement for independece and at the end of that century the colours became the symbol of the nation. In 1920 these colors became the offical national flag.
The blue color means the sky and loyalty to one's homeland, the black color means the soil and laboriousness, tbe white one – purity, simplicity and light future.
Estonia and Finland are united with the anthemn - the tune for the both national anthems is identical and was written by Finnish composer Frederick Pacius. The words were written by Johan Voldemar Jannsen – the father of famous Estonian poetess Lidia Koidula.
The Estonian national flower is the cornflower (blue color), the national bird is the swallow (black and white colors) and the national stone is the limestone.
During the Soviet times, from 1940 to 1991, the Estonian national symbols were prohibited, the specially created Soviet Estonians symbols were used – that’s why many Estonians hate the Soviet symbols in every its form.
Estonia is the border between east and west, the crossing of different cultures – eastern and western. The most of Estonians are spiritually tied with Scandinavia, because the Estonian and other Scaninavian nations have the same origin, because their culture and national traditions resembles each other and have many common elements; in the past Finland and Norway were under dominion of the Svedish Kingdom – like Estonia was too.
The history of Estonia is the history of wars, of slavory and of fight for freedom and independence. From beginning Estonia was under dominion of other peoples, which were bigger and stronger, for example Estonia was under Danish, Sveden, Poland, Germany and Russia.
The Estonian national epos “Kalevipoeg” (“The son of Kalev”), gathered and published by Friedrich Reihhold Kreutzvald (Vindri Roin Ristmets) in 1853-1867, tells about these eternal fight (literal translation):
"See! In the deep forest under the cover of trees,
Under the cover of trees, in the shadow of shrubs,
Under the mouring edges of alder,
Under protection of sad birch,
Stay 7 hills of death,
Seven moss-covered beds…
…
The first is the bed of anxiety of harm,
The second one is in the chains of slavery,
The third one is in the exhaustion of war,
The forth one is in the torture of hunger,
The firth one is in the days of extreme poverty,
The seventh one is under the plage-death.
The eighth one in the epidemic of murders.
This is the existance of Estonia from antique times,
Before loving protection
Under the wing of Russian Goverment".
("Kalevipoeg", "Sissejuhatuseks" )
Some critics says that “Kalevipoeg” is too militar but it reflects the real history of Estonia and of the Estonians.
The name of Finnish epos “Kalevala” resembles the name of Estonian epos “Kalevipoeg”, but the meaning and contents are different (“Kalevala” means “The land of Kalevs”). The “Kalevala” reflects the history and life of Finnish people.
From 1721 to 1918 Estonia was under dominion of Russia, but the privileged language was German.
The Estonian writer Oscar Luts has described this situation with many humor and spirits in his books “Spring” (Kevade) and “Summer” (Suvi), showing the life of Estonians, their discrimination and oppression, hatred of Estonian children to privileged German children, cultural values of the Estonians.
The Estonians have organized two socialist revolutions – in 1905 and 1917, like in Russia. In the past Estonia was a very poor country and the Estonians had some hope to improve their life using the communist/socialist ideas. In 1920 Estonia became the independent country for the first time in own history and for the first time were defined its borders and territory.
In 1940 after the special request of Parliament of Estonia, Estonia entered into the Soviet Union and the Estonians had suffered all communist repression. It’s necessary to specify that the crimes against people were compiled by local Estonian communists and by local Estonian Soviet Government – Estonian and Russian communists joined in compiling their crimes. Unfortunately, nobody of Estonian communist-criminals was punished/condamned. Now Estonia ask from Russia to condamn the Russian communists, omitting to condman first the Estonian ones – what could be a nice example.
The fact of union with the Soviet Union is used today for political speculation and manipulation owing aim to creat the racial hatred and intollerance between the inhabitants and to discriminate the Russian-speaking part of the population. The Estonian Government has proclaim that the entry into the Soviet Union was an occupation, fogotting the all-European condition of the times before the Second World War (Hitler had defined the Estonians as a parasite race that must be exterminated), the collaboration of dictator Konstantin Päts with the USSR from 1930 and the request of Estonia to join with the USSR based on political and financial interests.
It’s very difficult to qualify exactly the entry of Estonia in the USSR – there are the free expression of the Estonians and the pressures of the USSR, the Estonians had organized three socialist revolutions and have fought a lot with the aim to form the communism. It’s possible to hear the following definitions of the presumed occupation: “the paceful occupation based on free expression and will of the Estonian nation, in basis of the right of people to self-determination”. Sometimes this entry is called as annextion.
Seeing all facts of the European and world history, if we want to use the term “occupation” it’s necessary to ricognize and diclare uficcially an occupation of Afganistan, Irak and Kosovo by Nato, the arriving occupation of Czech and Poland by USA (building of the militar bases) – otherwise we have inadequate and ambiguous treatment of the facts. Seen that there are the American and Nato military bases in Italy and in other countries, it’s necessary to ricognize the occupation of Italia and other countries by USA/Nato.
During the Second World War the Estonians had suffered the repression of German Army. A part of the Estonians entered voluntarily, willingly and following the “call of the heart”, into the German Army’s Waffen SS brigades. Estonia became the first Jewish-free country in the world and the Estonian Nazis declared this as great success. This fact is the shamefullest event in the history of Estonia. Unfortunately, the Estonian Nazis weren’t judged or condamned by international court after the War – that’s why some Nazi and Fascist’s ideas flourish in Estonia today. Some politicians declare that Estonia had taken part in the War as a Hitler’s allied… The today’s government of Estonia have forgotten that the Estonians were only “week and parasite rice” for Hitler and glorify the crimes of members of the Waffen SS brigades, Estonian Nazis criminals were proclaimed “fighters for liberty of Estonia” (fogotting that the Estonian Nazis of Waffen SS compiled their crimes in Ucraina and Belorussia and that the Hitler didn’t absolutely foresee the liberty and freedom for Estonia, the real programm was: all Estonians exterminated and the “unnecessary” Germans transfered into Estonian territory). In the post-soviet time some pro-Nazi monuments were built in Estonia and the only anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist monument (the Bronz Soldier) was trasferred to some cimitery in 2007 – without referendum and in few days before 8-9 of May – the European days of anti-Fascist memory and the Victory day. The citizens had tried to protest peacefully against such a violation of the democracy's values (omission of referendum) and of all-European anti-Nazi ans anti-Fascist values. The Government used the force and brutality to repress the peaceful manifestation, so the peaseful manifestation became the famous disorder. There is only one anti-Nazi monument in Estonia and now it is situated in a cemetery – that shows explicitly the opinion of Estonian government about all-European values: the place of anti-Nazi values is in a cemetery and not in some public place!
The today’s Estonian Government uses some elements of Hitler’s ideology to persecute Russian-speaking inhabitants of Estonia, for example the idea of superiority of Estonian language above Russian and other languages, the idea of superiority of Estonian ethnic group above Russian ethnic group, the limitation of access to work and political activity for Russian-speaking citizens, the persecution of Russian-speaking citizen who make mistakes speaking Estonian at the working place (Russian teachers in the Russian schools who teach in Russian to Russian-speaking children are more persecuted)…
The Estonian Government have declared uficcially that in the 8 and 9 of May puts the flowers to “all fallen in the Second World War” – including Fascists and Nazis of Waffen SS brigades, glorifying the Nazis ideology.
There are two basic antique peoples in Estonia: the Estonians and the Russians. The Russians have been living in the northeast part of Estonia from the ancient times, there are some towns with Russian majority. Russian is the mother-tongue for about 30% of the population of Estonia. On the site of the Ministry of Population the part of indigenous Russians is indicated as “starovertsi” (translated from Russian it means “of old faith”).
From 1721 to 1918 Estonia was under the Russian dominion and the Russian community grew. The pact with Russia of 1920 defined the borders of Estonia for the first time in the history, Estonia receved some Russian territory too. Some of these territories was given back to Russia later, but some remains.
In the time of the Soviet Union a lot of citizens were trasferred from one part of the country to another one in according with order of the Soviet Estonian Government and the central Moscow Government. So, many Russian and Russian-speaking citizens came in Estonia to work and to live, and many Estonians were sent into the lager or to work in Russia or in other Soviet Republic.
The today’s Estonian Government doesn’t recognize the existance of the Russian part of the Estonian population and its antient roots. The Government declare the false that all Russians would only recently arrived strangers, like musulmans in Europe. The Russians and Russian-speakings are exposed under discrimination, segregation, marginalization and assimilation. The people arrived in the soviet time that worked all they life long in Estonia and paid the taxes to Estonia, their children and posterity are the real victims of the communist regime, but the today’s Russian and Estonian Governments doesn’t want to recognize these people as the victim of past regime. These people were deprived of right to citizenship and to participate in division of socialist property after the socialism crashing, there are some problem with rights to vote and participation in political and social life. All people, who had a chance to do it, had fled out from Estonia, today there are only realy local people having the long-time roots of living in Estonia remained there.
The situation in Estonia is very insane and injust – the victims of the socialism/communism are proclaimed guilty for the crimes of the socialist/communist Government, but the real criminals who compiled the crimes are impunished and take part in today’s government (!!!). There are many ex communists and ex members of the Communist Party in today’s Government in Estonia, the Government represses the citizens using the soviet time methods of repression. There are both the elements of Nazi and communist ideology in the methods of country ruling of Estonian Government– that’s why the situation is incredible and unbeleivable.
In 1991 after the USSR crashing the Soviet Estonian Government have decided to not ricognize the soviet period of Estonia and have proclaimed Estonia the heir of regime of dictatorship of 1939, denying all democratic and social values reached in the soviet time. This denial of progress and development has changed civilized and modern Estonia into a half-savage country. Particularly horrible changes are in the social and judical spheres, and in the sphere of violation of human rights. The reason of denial of socialist period may be the desire of the Estonian politics to elude the responsibility for the one’s crimes compiled in the soviet period.
The Russian-speaking part of the Estonian population is called the “Estonian Russians”. The Estonian Government promotes the politics of racial hatred and intollerance to Russian-speakings. The judical sistem is underdeveloped: the politicians who propagate the racial / linguistical hatred and insult other peoples are not never punished – what is rong here, the law is imperfect or the judges are omitting?
In 1869 in the Tartu city the first Song and Dance Holiday was organized (it may be called “Festival” too). This holiday became the cultural value for Estonian people. Some special large “Songs’ fileds” / “Fields for singing” / “Singing fields” (squares) were built for this holiday. Dozen of thousands singers, dancers and orchestras take parte in this holiday. Unfortunately the post-soviet Government doesn’t appreciate this antique and unique national holiday – the Government is more interested in sailing the beer in some beer festival than in defending the national and cultural traditions. You can never see the publicity of Song and Dance Holiday – but the pubblicity of “Õllesummer” (The summer of beer) You can see everywere! In any case for the Estonian people this holiday is of a great value and the people continue develope and protect this holiday.
In the recent time the Folclor Festival of Viljandi became famous too – this is a festival of traditional music of the different peoples. There are the Jazzkaar Festival – dedicated to jazz, the Hea Uus Heli (the Goog New Sounds) Festival – dedicated to alternative and sperimental music, and many other festivals in Estonia.
Estonia has a national sport – “kiiking” – the seesawing on the very high swing with aim to make a full circle. Higher the swing is – more difficult to do the circle.
After the crash of the USSR Estonia had a chance to become free and independent country, but the Estonian politicians had sold all industrial goods and structures to foreign adventurers, without thinking about the future. Now Estonia is in the economical slavery, the opression of Sweden, Finland, German and the USA is very heavy. The development of the country in the post-soviet time was oriented to prostitution, sex-tourism, alcohol, narcotics and other bad similar activities, which are prohibit in other countries. Almost all economy is destroied. The last rapport of ONU informs that 7% of population of Estonia suffer hunger and undernourushment.
The local Estonian businessmen havn’t any help from Estonian Government, because the Government is only interested to attract in Estonia some foreign investor-andventurer-speculators and to eliminate the local national production. The national business traditions was distroied.
It’s possible to buy only chemical, insane, long lasting bread in the plastic envelope – there are no more real bread in Estonia, Estonia became the country without real national bread. The same situation is with other food products and it is right to say that in Estonia is almost only junk food now. It’s not possible to find in Estonia some normal pure foods without chemical additives, surelly some pure foods is sold by few paesans but the prices are too high, that’s why the population, especially children, begin to have the serious problems with the health.
The Estonian-speaking Estonians and the Russian-speaking Estonians have been hoped than the entry into European Union could help to solv the grave situation of injustice and violation of human rights, but nothing changes yet. The Estonian Russians remain in the situation of segregation in Estonia and in the European Union too – Russian is not recognized as official language on either side. The Estonian Russian havn’t access to European and Estonian information and havn’t access to social life, to high-level study and to work. In the same situation are the Latvian Russian-speakings and we can say that Estonian and Lativan Russian-speakings are now discriminated and segregated peoples in the European Union.
The Estonian coat of arms:

The Estonian coat of arms of the soviet times:

Comments
Generated blog? Author purportedly estonian, but the text - both the contents and spelling mistakes point to russian authorship.
There are the complainers and the doers in every nation...
You sound like a bitter woman who misses the "good old days of communism", Helga. Perhaps your outlook wouldn't be quite so pessimistic if you had a job...
I hope your Estonian is better than your English, Helga, and that you have passed the language test
I saw the new doc movie "The Singing Revolution" about Estonia's history recently. I have had the pleasure to visit Estonia (not just Tallinn but also the countryside, Tartu, Parnu, Viljandi and also 3 of its largest islands) for business and vacations quite a few times during the last 15 or so years, and my experience has been quite different from what the sad blogger here is trying to paint...
I guess if one *chooses* to eat only McDonalds and other fast food then one can get the impression that even Estonia is a "fast food nation"! I have eaten home cooked meals at friends homes, gourmet dinners at fancy restaurants and simple dishes at local neighborhood diners - and I have always been impressed by how fresh and organic all the ingredients have been. In supermarkets one can choose locally grown organic items or less imported goods (hence the chemicals and preservatives) - just like in any other country I've visited in Europe and North America.
To say that Estonia is in economic slavery of Sweden, Finland, Germany and USA is absolute nonsense! "All economy is destroyed"??? Without the money from these "evil oppressors" unfortunately tiny Estonia would have no economy...
And "grave injustice and violation of human rights"??? In addition to the 10 or so native Estonians that I consider my friends I also know quite a few Russian Estonians. They have all *chosen* to learn the language and assimilate themselves, and they all live happy and fulfilled lives in Estonia. I asked their opinion about the situation during last year's Bronze Soldier fiasco and they all told me that it's only the Russians that *don't want to fit in* that cry "discrimination!" (Not to make it sound like I think that USA is the center of the universe but that's where I live and its laws are the ones I know the best, therefore I have to use USA as an example: everyone who wants to become a citizen of the United States MUST pass the language and civics test in order to qualify. And you can't get certain jobs (in the government, etc.) unless you are a citizen. All that just makes good sense, in my opinion. So I really don't understand why would anyone call it "discrimination, injustice and violation of human rights" that Estonia requires its immigrants to learn the native language and respect its laws?
Helga, I hope you will be able to put things in perspective and realize that no country is perfect (well, except for Norway, perhaps...). Sure, there is no need to sugarcoat reality - but trying to "reveal the dirty underbelly" by writing inaccuracies and lies and fanning the hysteria many Russians already feel is just plain wrong.
Estonians never-ever fought for communism according to their free will (you're confusing Estonians with Latvians probably, who had the famous "red hunters" who were the most loyal supporters Lenin had).
As for Estonia being occupied by Soviet Russia (and Nazi Germany), please see http://www.okupatsioon.ee/.
Dear Shewantsnorevenge ,
Before insulting me of “writing inaccuracies and lies and fanning the hysteria” You have to learn the question impartially. Insulting without prooves shows the bad education only and absence of knowledge.
A years ago it was popular to say bad words about socialist time, but now is the moment to weigh up its positive sides too – without hysterics and obsession. Denial of positive results of socialism is not intelligent action.
I’m glad for You feel “fresh and organic” the deep-frozen and reheated restorants’ food (in Estonia the firm “Eesti eine” prepares the deep-frozen dishes for restorants). The “organic items” covered with antibacterical chemical substances are no more organical. It seems that You are content with name of product only – without seeing its quality and essence. The Estonians have lost the natural foods only about 17 years ego and remember yet a normal foods, You have just fogotten it, or maybe You have never eaten it….
Such a sorrow for You to hear that the Estonians doesn’t like economic slavery and are sure to be capable to create own economy! Before today the foreigners have used Estonia for unfair affairs and for launder money, the children’s prostitution was organized just by these foreign “businessmen”, thrafficking of young women too. The nature has been polluted by these foreigners. Surelly, the foreigner have built a lot of hotels and casino… but to increase the exploitation of prostitutes and launder the hidden money…
I’m a pure-blood Estonian and for me the today’s foreigners are “new economic occupants”. More, the today’s Estonian president of American nationality is a motive of serious shame for me and for another Estonians (both Estonian-speaking and Russian-speaking).
The language learning is a good and right action, the assimilation – is the violation of human rights. You have written by yourself that to live (survive) in Estonia is necessary to assimilate – that means the denial of right to cultural and national identity, the necessity to play an theater game. The assimilated people hate Estonia and the Estonians in their hearts, they are not fully happy.
In USA the persons have right to continue to be themselves, without nessecity to pretend to be the native americans. The tension in the Estonian society is so high that the people are afraid of new disorders.
I see You doesn’t understand the difference between the foreigners in America and Estonian Russians in Estonia. Estonian Russians are the native and indigenous people on the Estonian territory – not the recently arrived foreigners or imigrants – they have not another place where live and another mother-land. The Russian Russians and the Estonian Russians are not the same thing.
The Estonian politicians have proclaimed a lot of falses and lies via mass-media about situation. By this blog I try to present the hidden information and tell about real situation.
The people immigrated in Estonia in the soviet time couldn’t refuse to transfer in Estonia in the past – do You know something about Gulag? These people have right to hate Estonian and Russian soviet governments, aren’t? Estonian and Russian governments have to recompense these people, havn’t they? Do You know the methods of teaching of Estonian in Estonia? You don’t beleive but it is “guess the grammatic by oneself”…
A great part of Estonian Russians mustn’t give the exame of Estonian language because they have right to citizenship as the indigenous people, that’s why I have never done the tests or exams of Estonian – inform You better the next time before writing about the questions of another countries!
I’m conscious that it’s useliss to hope to receive the apoligizes from You after Yours insults… Estonian president with American origin never apologize after own wrongdoings…. the Americans…
Best regards
Dear Martin 123,
The site You indicated is not impartial, there is the manipulated information and only a half of the truth.
You can see the site with opposite information: http://npest.wordpress.com , some antifascists' sites and the work of Lauri Malksoo "The aspects of annexation", the Finnish journalist Leena Hietanen articles and the recently piblished book;
http://pribalty.wordpress.com/2007/...
(Черниченко: Оккупации не было);
Финская журналистка: музей оккупации отрицает холокост (The Finnish journalist: the Museum of occupation denies the Holocaust)
Автор: rus.DELFI.ee
Источник: http://rus.delfi.ee/archive/article...
I have seen the indcated by You site and the Estonian Museum of Occupation and in the future I'll tell about it too.
Best regards,
Helga
THE PHILOLOGISTS ARE WELLCOME TO CORRECT THE MISTAKES!
Wu - you are right . You don't even have to read between the line to see 'Helga' is obviously a Russian living in Estonia. I know several Estonians - native and Eestlased and consequently have some insight into the grammatical and spelling mistakes they are likely to make when they write in English (placement of adjectival phrases, use of articles etc).
''Helga's' litany against Estonia's treatment of its former occupiers does not match the lingusitic errors of an Estonian. It is obviously the work of a Russian native speaker with a barrow of imagined grievances to push. 'Helga' would also know that no Estonian in their right mind would agree with the lies and distortions he has written. Yes, Helga is no doubt a 'he'.
Perhaps 'Helga' should move back to Peterburi? Or does he actually like the fact that he now lives inthe EU - and though not yet having a valid EU passport - has available to him freedoms and facilities he would never have in Russia.
Simply, if you don't like it - you are free to leave. In fact, Putin has organised a system where Russia will pay you to reurn. So what's stopping you, Ivan?
Dear Ross,
I little information for You:
I'm a certified pure-blood Estonian and I have not any relative in "Peterburi" or in Russia. My relatives are documentally registered in Estonia from 1600. A part of my family are the Russian-speaking Estonians, another part are the Estonian-speaking, nobody is Russian.
I have the Estonian citizenship and I have all tipe of Estonian passports and another documents - this is the right of pure-Estonian-blood persons in Estonia.
If You beleive in existance of occupation from 1940 without thincking and analysing, I soppose You wuould be a victim of manipulation and fals propaganda.
Many Estonians are completely agree with me.
I wonder at flight of Your fantasy and its unhealthy elements, at Your aggression, and at Your intollerance at others' opinion. If You see some "lie" or "distorsion" You can tranquilly show it and describe Your version.
Your hatred to the Russians and Russia is a little bit pathological.
I leave here Your comment only to demonstrate for all European readers the pathological aggressivity, language-based hatred, intollerance, absens of respect, condition of psyche and mental health - which are present between the people today.
The European Union's values are the rispect of human right and cultural diversity, the slogan is "Together in diversity!", this year is the year of Intercultural Dialogue ...
I hope if the polticians see such full of hatred commentaries as Yours one is, they will try to find some remedy to cure it...
Best regards!
Sorry, but your facts regarding Russia and Estonia, and Estonian Russians are wrong. Estonia was invaded by Stalin's 80,000 troops and the parliament was replaced and forced, and this resulted in annexation (this means occupation).
Before World War II there were indeed a population of around 5-8% of Russians, whereas after World War II it shot up to 40%, from which it has reduced to nearly 20% today.
By not condemning the genocide that was carried out on hundreds of thousands of Estonians by the Soviet Union you are exposing yourself to be an apologist, protecting Soviet criminals.
I live in Estonia and can say that Russian speaking people here do not live in fear. They can become Estonian citizens very easily, just passing an easy language test and basic civic facts test. Many things, including official documents, shop products, radio stations, even news on national TV broadcast is in Russian, together with Estonian (80-90%).
You have described that you regard Americans and other foreigners as occupiers. This is truly ironic coming from a person from Russian background. Yes, there are Russians from the tsarist times (18-19 century), but they constituted a much smaller minority and had integrated much better. They are not denied citizenship.
Estonia did not 'just become independent' in 1920, there was a war between Estonians and the Soviet Union which resulted in Russia accepting and signing the Peace Treaty of Tartu, where it expressly denied any rights over Estonian territory for eternity. Juridically, Estonian has been a free country, recognized by most Western states since then, and was never recognized as a part of the Soviet Union. When the Germans LEFT Tallin in 1944, Estonia reclaimed it's independence and raised the Blue Black and White flag on the Hermann Tower. When the Red Army came in, they replaced the ESTONIAN flag with the Soviet one, they did not bring down the German one. Hence, they were not liberating this country, but replacing one occupier for another. Yes, there were crimes committed by the Nazis in Estonia, and there were some Estonian collaborators. However, the Estonians that took up arms against the invading Red Army in 1944 in their majority did not support Hitler, but were fighting for their country. Finland did the same, only that they managed to remain independent (thanks to a lot of help form German armament).
Sorry, but the fact is that you wrote false information.
I believe in the human rights of everyone, of any nationality or ethnic or religious group in Estonia, be it Estonian, Russian, Finnish, Ukrainian, Jewish, American or anyone else.
Helga -
Well, unless you are way more clever than I at first thought - I'll have to admit my mistake and take back what you said about you being a guy. However - as fraud is so prevalent on the Net - I guess it's still possible!
I don't agree with anything else you put forward though - other than the EU's commonly accepted 'values' - which are actually universal values which are adopted (in theory) by most countries.
Helga writes: "....If You beleive in existance of occupation from 1940 without thincking and analysing, I soppose You wuould be a victim of manipulation and fals propaganda."
Of course it was an occupation - why, what do you call it?
This is an historical fact. I am not at all a victim of propaganda. I have a mind, eyes , ears - and I use them. Ask ANY Estonian living abroad especially the older generation who HAD to leave - and MOST of those living in Estonia now - and they will agree with that. Why was Estonia the LAST to join the Soviet Union and the very first to leave? Because they all thought it was a great idea??? Really ???
Do you SERIOUSLY think - if Estonia was allowed to remain neutral - and was NOT occupied by the Soviet Union - that it would NOT have AT LEAST the standard of living of Denmark or Sweden or Norway by now? Can you not see that the forced assimilation into the Soviet Union was a backward step for Estonia?
Helga writes "...........I wonder at flight of Your fantasy and its unhealthy elements, at Your aggression, and at Your intollerance at others' opinion. If You see some "lie" or "distorsion""
Please indicate the 'aggression', 'intolerance at others' opinion' I am alleged to have presented.
I think the boot is on the other foot - if someone disagrees with what YOU say - you automatically see it as 'aggression' & 'intolerance'. A very fascist attitude I must say! You are being overly sensitive.
I guess you're not a very happy person in general - that's why you are whingeing about imagined grievances. You won't find the happiness you seek by complaining about things that do not really affect you. Each day is important - use it to build your life up! Who wants to listen to a whinger? There's more than a million good-natured Estonian people that do not have a chip on their shoulder and are getting on productively with their lives. That can be seen by the enormous change in Estonia since 1989 - since Estonians had the freedom to do what they wanted and better their own lives - without being told by the foreigners in Moscow what they had to do and when to do it.
I think it's hypocritical of you to defend Russians living in Estonia for generations (which obviously many have) but at the same time you mention NOTHING about the Estonians (Setu etc) now living around Petseri - and their rights in Russia. Why aren't you standing up for their rights to their culture and land and language etc etc ?
Similarly you make no mention of the fate of Karelians - fellow Finno-ugric people whose lands were taken and culture subsumed into that wonderful Soviet Union (now Russia).
And Russians who live in Estonia and have done for generations CAN get Estonian passports and SHOULD be able to speak Estonian. If after generations they don't then that would indicate a stubborness to hold onto a culture and language they consider superior. I cannot imagine that is possible after several generations. It may have been possible centuries ago but not now.
I think you imagine I have something against Russians. That is not the case. I know many Russian people. I like them. I had Estonian-Russian friends in Estonia when I lived there. They had no hatred towards Estonians as a race that I was aware of.
The thing is though - speaking generally - for some reason Russians in Russia need to have a macho leader - be it a Tsar, Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, Putin etc - maybe because they are a proud people from a big country - with their own language and culture and even alphabet. Following such leaders has cost them a lot - there's no need to explain the obvious here.
I suggest , seeing you are an Estonian therefore an EU citizen (as am I) that you take advantage of that fact - and go and visit other former Soviet bloc countries and ask people there what they think of Russia.
Go on, rather than just listen to me - go and ask people who actually lived through it - get their opinion.
Go to countries like the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary - and ask them how they liked either their countries being actually invaded by Russia or their corrupt leaders being propped up by the Soviet (a.k.a.Russian ) government for 50 years post WW2. And , if you can afford it - go to countries like the UK, Canada Australia and the USA - where you'll find MILLIONS of people and their descendants who escaped the Soviet Union. Ask them whether they think the Soviet Union (centred in Moscow and totally dominated by Russians) - was good for their country/culture. We're talking Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, White Russians - and even Russians themselves etc etc etc
I already know the answers you'll get. Also, despite the Soviet propaganda - here's some news for you - they didn't really like to be forced to learn Russian (the language of international friendship) to be able to get 'good' jobs. And that was the least of their worries.
So, let me guess, you think the Bronze Soldier statue, the monument to Soviet Army soldiers , should have stayed where it was, right? It makes me laugh when I see Russians disingenuously claim that they themselves were the victims of the Soviet Union rather than , as is clearly the case, its main benefactors.
It would be completely hypocritical of Russians to complain about a statue of Red Army (not RUSSIAN) soldiers - if they themselves were victims of the Soviet Union - don't you think?
I know us humans are great at rationalizations - perhaps you could have a go at that one? Please - I'm already fascinated by your ability to distort the truth. Here's a chance to outdo yourself.
In any case we can't cry over spilt milk The past is the past. You can't live in it. Complaining about it is completely useless - and you'll get no sympathy except from fellow losers when it is about things that do not (or should not) affect you personally, day to day But you can use the past to learn from.
And now for a final truism - Life is what we make it - and each day we ourselves are making history. If you want a good outcome - act and think positively.
Dear Al,
You scould begin to study the history and begin to think and analize with Your own head. At the moment You are repeating without thinking the false ideas of some psychopathic-extremist. The lies and falsehoods are Yours.
While we talk about the history we have the real facts, the false facts and the personal ideas and valutations.Here we talk about facts only:
1. Estonia was never invided by Stalin. The Soviet military bases was opened like the today's Nato/Americans' bases are opened around the world. The dictator Pàts wanted these bases and the Soviet (not REd) army was entered with his
and general Laidoner permission and inviting.The Government was replaced by dicatator Pàts who choosed the candidats - not the Parliament ;-))). See the serious scientific books of the history.
2. The Estonian Parliament choosen by the Estonians and composed of the ethnic Estonians proclaimed Estonia a Socialist Republic and made a request to join the USSR on July 1940.
3. In the 1941-1953 there were many repression in the USSR - against all the nationalities, including the Russians. I see that You didn't read my text - I have clealy indicated that the Estonian Soviet Government, composed of the ethnic Estonians, organized the crimes and repressions against the Estonians and the Russians who was living in Estonia.
4. The term "genocide" has a definition (see the corresponding Convention). The today's politics of the Estonian Government (points B,C,D) are more similar to genocide than the Soviet politics of the 1941-1953 (point A).
5. Unfortunately, You have a rong idea about receiving of the Estonian citizenship: the Estonian language examination is not easy, the printed exam test has the incoherent and the inconsistent choice of answeres, the commission often humiliates and insults the persons. The test You call "basic sivil test" is the exam which controls the knowlwdge of the Constitution and the Law about foreignes. To pass it You must know both very well. To have a right to citizenchip the person must ricognize the false propaganda facts, like the occupation by the Soviet Union in the 1940 - the
conscious people, who want to have a right to freedom of opinion and expression, are disgusted of that.
6. The local Estonian mass-media products doesn't exist almost - there is only Err Tv and maybe some more channel of low quality in the Russian language (please, list it!). The Russian-speakings of Estonia watch the Russian channels.
The local newspapars in Russian have the lowest quality and are written by the Estonians in very bad Russian with the grammar and style mistakes. It's almost impossible to read it. So, the Russian-speakings have access only to Russian TV and journals and consequently doesn't receive the Estonian and European information.
If You see some Russian journal or newspaper You can see a lot of the Russian propaganda against Europe there.
Read the ONU rapport about it.
7. The Russian-speaking of the tsar-time had the right to citizenship from 1918. Their descendants are not integrated but only have the Estonian citizenship by right of "blood". To have the citizenship doesn't mean to be integrated.
8. In 1920 the Soviet Union didn't exist yet ;-). There was the bolshevics-criminals...
9. Almost all countries ricognized Estonia as a legal part of the USSR, only the USA and some another country didn't - it was used for antiSoviet propaganda.
10. In 1944 Estonia didn't "reclaimed" its indipendence - the request of parting with the USSR wasn't done. There was a Nazis' flag on the Pikk Herman tower when the Soviet army arrived, below it was a small Estonian flag of the Estonian Nazis.
11. Estonia was a regular member of the Soviet Union - that's why it is not possible to assert about "Soviet occupation" in 1944, the Soviet Army (not "Red Army") liberated the Estonian Soviet Republic. There was many Estonians in the Soviet Army.
12. Your trying to justify the Estonian Nazis is very shameful - the Estonian Nazis joined Hitler and his ideas. This is the shamefullist fact in the history of Estonia and You cannot either repair it or justify it.
13. The Russuian-speaking part of the Estonians have right to second official language in Estonia - Russian, otherwise all the territories with the Russian-speaking Estonians must be given freedom and independence of Estonia. My
classification of the Rususian-speakings of Estonia You can see at the my another blog: http://helganukk.blogspot.com
(the post about the programm of integration).
Do return to the reality! Open the books and start learning! Begin thinking!
And don't be ashamed of Your name - use it!
Best regards!
Dear Ross, an anonimous, an Soviet, sorry, European Union being without name, without identity, without natinonality...
In the Soviet time such a lost being like You were called "sovok" (from "soviet"), now we are in a new Union and the European citizenship choosen by You for Your national identity attests of the "sovok" state of Your soul... (saying
European citizenship it's the same to say "Soviet citizen").
Why are You ashamed of Your name and nationality?
If You really want to understand better the Estonian events You should began to study - the pap in Your head needs to be put in order. The psychiatrist can help You to feel more calm and not to have more a desire to insult other persons
in Internet.
The question of pathological aggressivity consists in the form, not in ideas.
You don't know who I am, what I have done in my life, what I'm doing now - therewith all Your suppositions about me and about my life are only aggressive insult of my personality and expression of Your bad education.
You have tried to describe me without knowing anything about me and as a result we have a Your description of Yourself - in the psychitry such a behavour is called the "projective" expression. Now we know enough about Your problems and
sufferings.
The history of Estonia is very complex and the European history of XX century is particullary complex. Too primitive and partial sights conduct You to become a "parrot" of old-fashioned anti-Soviet primitive propaganda. If You don't
think by yourself and repeate the cheep propaganda You become a victim of this propaganda.
Try to understand that the Estonians wanted to install the Soviet regime because the Pàts dictatorship was very terrible and infamous regime. The Estonians wanted to join the USSR to protect themselves against Hitler and to devepole own economy. It was a choice. The assertions of "occupation" - see above and see "Estonia in the dates" post.
You should speak with independent persons and not only with some one who was payd by BBC or some other propagandist, or who was a victim of regime. Many citizens of Slovachia, Chech, Ungary, Latvia and ... dream of returning of the
Soviet times, surelly the politicians who seized the power doesn't dream it - they earn enough with the drug, speculations and human trafficking. When You tell about people's opinion You have to indicate all the opinions and not only one (Yours).
What do You mean with a term "The standard of living"? The quality of life or the model of behavour? The model of common behavour? In this case You are repeating the vague term without comprehension.
The "standards of living" in Norway, Sveden and Denmark have a lot of negative problems in all aspects of the frase's meaning. When I visited these countries it was a great disapointment for me - the division to the social classes is the same like in Soviet society and the level of life of the corresponding classes is exactly the same (the poors stay worse, however). The propaganda of the presumed high level of life in those countries was popular in the Soviet time and was used to destroy the USSR, now everyone can see that it was false. Surelly, Sveden is famous about its
"glasnost" (transparency).
Today's European Union uses the USSR methods of the "development" of economy and causes a great damage to all European countries. The EU repeats the USSR's faults - in this case won't You say that the "assimilation" into the EU was a step backwards for Estonia?
Are You really sure that the Estonians can do all they want? Are You capable to enrich such a assertion with the concrete examples in the different sphears? And don't foget about the hand of Brussel and the boot of the USA!
Do You mean the Setus want to become an independent state? Do You know that a Setu festival will be held in Russia in 26 August? That the Estonian Setus and the Krasnojarsk Setus are invited to partecipate there?
Do You know some Karelian? Do You know that Estonia, Latvia, Ukraina and maybe some other ex-Soviet countries took part in the extermination of the Karelians in the post-Soviet time? In my opiniom You don't know thw question, that's
why I explane it. The Karelians were a savage and incivilized people in the tsar time. After the revolution the Soviet Government began to help the Karelians and other savage peoples. When I was young, in the time of my studies, I had some Karelian study-mates. They came in Estonian Soviet Republic to improve their life - they lived in the tents in Karelia. There was a great risk of total extermination of such nations. USSR's Government tried to give some work and some house to these people. How You know, it very difficult to give a work and a house to all people, in today's UE
You can see a lot of homelesses, so the Government offered to these people a military peacful service in the Soviet Army. Consequently, a lot of Karelians came in Estonia as militar and worked for good of Estonia: built houses, maintained the forests and sea, ways and did other socially usefyl work.
I know that You don't know that in the Soviet time the national cultures were the great human value. Every year in every school or plant the cultural holidays were organized. The Russian students/workers prepared the Russian
concert/performance program, the Estonian students - the Estonian consert, the Karelians - Karelian one ecc., these concerts were very intersting and You could get aquainted with other cultures. The Government organized the professional conserts of different cultures. There were organized festivals too - where every simple person might take part.
EU have to learn better this positive example of the "union in diversity".
After the USSR crashing the Estonian Governments proclaimed the Karelians as "Russian monsters" (using the imprecations and insults - "vene pàtt" - "vene vàrdjas" - I don't know English imprecations that's why I used the word "monsters"). THe Soviet Army (except the Estonian soldiers, surelly) was asked for leaving Estonia - so, the part of
Karelians were obliged to go out with the Soviet Army and a part of them became homeless and unimployed, the births diminished.
Today's Russian Government has a program of help and culture development for small peoples - You can see it on the site of Russian Government. I really don't know if the Estonian Government do something for the Estonian national minorities - there are no information. The Russian-speaking Estonian minorities suffer discrimiantion, segregation and marginalization in Estonia, the special program for them doesn't exist.
You should learn a matter better before barking.
I see You like to interfere into the questions of other nations without knowlidge of the questions - do better something for Your country! Surelly, You can be a young Estonian, so: learn more and don't be superficial!
Do You know something about the Allan Dallas doctrine (1945)? You seem quite to be a product (victim) of the politics offered by Dallas
...
Your crude manners and impulsiveness are quite funny and show excplitly the problems of the today's young of the
European Union.
And don't be ashamed of Your name - use it next time! Are You afraid of some repression?
Best regards!
PS: read the instruction of good manners - You need it!
Olga
It's obvious you give yourself the role of chief censor here - you only print what is favourable to yoursled and discard everything else.
Again, how hypocritical of you. Afraid of criticism and the exposure of your shallow arguments aren't you?
You write :
"....And don't be ashamed of Your name - use it next time! Are You afraid of some repression?'
You've refused to display my last post here. So there is no 'next time' Who is afraid of repression then?
Who is being gutless?
Why be afraid of what people say?
I see you don't have the backbone to publish comments made by other people to your replies in this blog. You act as a censor. You cannot give good grounds for blocking my rights to free expression. You cannot offer valid arguments against the points I make. You want to hold onto your negativity and stereotypes it seems.
Anything that criticises you , accuses you of hypocrisy , or puts forward valid arguments against your theories you block from allowing it to be shared other readers.
This shows your inherent biases and your absolute lack of intellectual integrity. Is your ego so fragile it cannot tolerate any imagined criticism? If you continue to take that stance - what will happen is that people will write you off as an opinionated and close-minded biased person who cannot tolerate new ideas. Your blog will reflect that stagnancy and openness to change.
If YOU don't want to be honest, then we will have to open another forum , another blog, - where YOUR stance is publicly criticized and YOU will have no control over what is said.
However unlike the repressive (very soviet-style) attitude you have - you will still be welcome to say whatever you want and your comments will not be blocked (barring swearing of course!) . Real freedom of expression.
Now let's see - will you have the courage to publish these paragraphs?
Now here's a couple of quotes you might like to think about:
‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' - Voltaire
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between political parties either--but right through every human heart.
-Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn