CULTURAL EVENTS: NAZI-GESTAPO-GAME in Estonia from 6 untill 9 of August
By Helga on Monday, August 4 2008, 20:22 - Permalink
The Estonian society "Erna" (called in name of the Second World War Nazi battalion composed of the Estonians) have announced of the beggining of the sports-military game of the season. The game is dedicated to glorification of the battaglion "Erna's" crimes and the Hitler's ideas. Mass-media ("Interfax") announce that there are 29 teams from Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania, Norway, Danmark, Belgium, Germany and the USA.
The game is based on the real events of 1941 and begins with a landing to the seashore. It's not clear who and how plays a role of Nazis' victims - it's necessary to precise that the Estonian Nazis had exterminated all the Jewishes in Estonia and proclaimed Estonia the first and only country "free of the Jewishes". A part of the civil Estonian population was extarminated too.
Surelly, the militar games could be a very nice pastime, but the glorification of the battaglion "Erna" and the proclamation of the Estonian Nazis like "patriots" or "fighters to freedom of Estonia" together with Hitler is not correct - such a behavour is a grave insult for the victims of the Estonian Nazis and their relatives.
A little time ego, on July 26 in 2008, there was a politucal rally of the ex members of the Waffen SS brigades at Sinimàe in Estonia. There took part the Nazis from Danimark and Norway too. One of the Nazis' monuments was created at Sinimàe after the USSR crashing and the Nazis hold their rally there. The "Delfi" online magazine says that the Nazis were greeted heartily and honoured like "the fighters fo freedom of Estonia" by Vejkko Luhaland (a representativ of the local authority) and Trivimi Velliste (a deputy of Estonian's Parliament, the Ukrainian man assimilated into Estonian identity who chaneged even own Ukrainian name into Estonian-like name). Nobody remember that Hitler's programms didn't provide the independence for Estonia but the extermination of the Estonians as a parasite rice incapable to protect one's territory. The Estonian Nazis does their propaganda of the malsane ideas and deceptive facts of History to young people and children - such a situation causes to increase the racial hatred and intollerance in the Estonian society.
Some photoes of the Nazis' rally of the 26-th July 2008:
The full album of the photoes can bee seen at the "Night Watch" Association's site at the next link:
http://nightwatch.my1.ru/photo/23-0-399
Helga
Comments
Wow! You really are a good little "comrade", Helga! (I'm willing to bet that your real name is Natasha or Sveta or something like that). This is the 2nd time I read your "blog" and I'm just amazed! I don't know if you are truly ignorant or just evil?!?! I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you were on Putin's payroll and a card-carrying NASHI member. Why else would you choose to spread lies and hysteria, instead of trying to write about something constructive that would help to bring end to the misconception that average Russians have about Estonia, thanks to Interfax ("mass-media" - as you so generously called them - of the UNFREE world). Shame on you!
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One small error in your text: Erna were a unit of the Finnish Army, they wore Finnish Army uniforms.
My dear Olga, the world isn't as black and white as you may think it is. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erna_l...
Dear Harry,
the battagion was composed of the Estonians who was in Finland and the Finland was an ally of Hitler.
The situation was very complex.
I leave here the aggressive and hysterical comment of the anonimous with the nick "shewantsnorevenge" to show the pathalogical aggressivity and insane condition of the mental health of the comment's author. The delirium and the bad education are curious enough.
The aggressivity and intollerance are the problems of the European Union. These problems grow with the increasing of Nazis' ideas in the society.
More information:
The press release to Interfax and other journals was made by "Erna" society - http://www.erna.ee/en/ .
I'm really ashamed that the Government of my country justify Nazis and their crimes, hids and falsifies the historical facts.
Olga could you point us some examples of "your" government justifying nazi crimes? Also why are you accusing someone else of being poorly educated when, you yourself clearly lack education yourself? Lets just look at last post you made. I have never seen so many made up "facts", bad spelling and just blatant lies flavored with a huge dosage of russian chauvinism. I mean just look at this:
1944 - September – the Soviet Republic of Estonia was liberated from Nazis. Some historicals assert that a little time before liberation some hypothetical Estonian Government would have been created by Juri Oluots (Estonian – ex-Prime Minister of dictatorial regime) and Otto Tief (the name is German – the man was taking part in Government of dictatorial regime). This hypothetical Government would had been created for “restore the independence of Estonia” (to part with the USSR?) but the population didn’t know anything about this “Government” and the “Government” had never asked to part with USSR oficially. This “Government” used the Nazi flag.
After the liberation from Nazis the previous Estonian Government was restored and headed by Johann Vares, Eduard Päll (Estone) became a head from 1946. All importantest positions were always accupated by Estonians and not by Russian.
The lie that catches my eye first is the "liberation" part. It was occupation and that fact is supported by European Court of Human Rights, European Union and United States.
Calling puppet governement lead by Johannes Vares Barbarus freely elected and democratic is just a blatant lie. Non communist weren't allowed to set up their candidacy. Those who had failed to do their "political duty" of voting Estonia into the USSR, specifically those who had failed to have their passports stamped for voting, were condemned to death by Soviet tribunals(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...).
The government of Otto Tief was legitamate since he's government was appointed by acting prime minister Jüri Uluots. I find it oh-so pathetic that you try to somehow damage Otto Tief by saying his name was german (Over half of ethnic Estonians had German names before 1920s. Great many of the names were changed in 1920s to be more Estonian-sounding.) and saying that he was part of Päts' government, which infact he wasn't (He was the Minister of Social Affairs from 1926 to 1927 and in 1928 served as the Minister of Justice.) Päts' coup d'état took place in 1934.
Could you point me to sources that say: "but the population didn’t know anything about this “Government” Afaik this government was acting for 4 full days.
"This “Government” used the Nazi flag."
And now you're just lying. Give me the source that proves it somehow. Prove me that government of Otto Tief was somehow Pro-Nazi rather then pro-Estonian. You can't since you're just making this up.
"Estonian Government was restored and headed by Johann Vares, Eduard Päll (Estone) became a head from 1946. All importantest positions were always accupated by Estonians and not by Russian."
Already the fact that for some unknown reason you can't spell estonian names correctly shows how much of a estonian you are. The puppet government of Johannes Vares was illeagal. You saying that "all important postions were held by estonians" just makes me want to laugh. Are you seriously suggesting that Estonia was free and could do whatever it wanted? You know, have it's own foreign policy, economy etc. It was a puppet state controlled by Moscow. De facto it had no power.
Olga, please stop spreading lies.
To anonimous with a nick "Kass"
The last decisions of the Strasbourg court refuses the idea of the occupation. The Estonian Government has been deceiving the European Union's opinion, beeng sure that other peoples are stuped and don't see the lies.
The United States is the boss of Estonia, I suppose that many problems, including that You read "Olga" instead of "Helga", derive from the hard interference of the USA in the internal affairs of Estonia and its insane fanatic propaganda and manipulation.
The Ministers are the Government ;-).
The today's puppet Estonian Governmet is as free as the puppet Estonian Soviet Government - but all the crimes they do by their will - the today's problems are the same, or maybe, worse - the national dignity is lost and the American/Brussel boot is heavier than the Moscow hand.
Do You remember the Soviet anti-capitalist propaganda? You have shoosen the same type of scandal-mongering propaganda publication in Times instead of the scietific sours.
I'll respond to You question and begin a constructive discussion only after Your apologies for injuries and insults.
And it will be nicer if You use Your name and introduce Yourself - the honest persons have no reason to hide.
"The last decisions of the Strasbourg court refuses the idea of the occupation."
And now you're lying again Olga. Im assuming that you're refering to Kononov vs Latvia case.
Citating the ruling(http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/v...): "In this connection, the Court reiterates that it will abstain, as far as possible, from pronouncing on matters of purely historical fact, which do not come within its jurisdiction; however, it may accept certain well-known historical truths and base its reasoning on them (Ždanoka v. Latvia [GC], no. 58278/00, § 96, ECHR 2006-...). In the instant case, however, there is no need for it to deal with these issues as they are neither decisive nor even relevant."
About Ždanoka v. Latvia case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...
"The Ministers are the Government ;-)."
Legal ministers are the government ;-).
I'm not gonna respond to your idiotic "hurrrr America is bad. Estonia is controlled by Brussels" accusations. And are you really comparing EU and the Soviet Union? Soviet Union a regime that killed tens of millions innocent people, deported and oppresed many nations stagnating them for 50 years. Don't think so black and white Olga. Too bad you don't accept Time Magazine as a good source. It's widely accepted elsewhere but i guess you don't accept any respectable source that isn't in accordance to how you see the world.
And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, you provocated it.
To Kass - Cat - Chat - Gatto - Kot
What do we call "democracy"? What do we call "regime"?
Democracy means the power of people, for people and by people, it means referendum on every serious question. I hope You understand that today we have a regime called "democracy" (partiescracy) and not real democracy.
European Union regime has been killing the millions of Afganistan and Irak civil inoccent sitizens - it sounds sad but it is the truth.
European Union's Drugs Department (I don't remember the name, the abbreviaton is like EMEA) give the permission to sale toxic and harmful medicines and vaccines, that provoce great damage to public health and increase the invalides and the deathes.
The EU is similar to the USSR in some negative aspects, both have committed the crimes against humanity.
Today it is neccesary to understand the positive side of the USSR too, there was some positive aspects which can be useful fo the EU for better development (NB: I don't say that it was a paradise!). You have said Yourself : "Don't think blach and white" - so, begin to execute Your council!
You should know that the mass-media serve to manipulate the public opinion and behavour, the Univercities have the special faculties for teching it. I think You have seen the Ruusian mass-media (the case of Estonia, the case of the ricognition of the crimes of Communism) and the Russian methods of influencing of the Russians.
Once, in the time of the Cold War, the European mass-media wrote than the bolsheviks "eat the children" - You are free to beleive it... but You can't trust to explicitly propagandist articles. Surelly, sometimes they publish articles of the scientists. I accept the Times as a good sours but I don't trust to all they write - I think "why, with which perpouse it was written"...
Read the book "The lying ape. An honest Giude to a World of Deception" of Brian King.
When You try to accuse or descrive some unknown person You describe Yourself and Your own problems
It's better to see the Zdanok case on the site of the court of Strasbourg, the Wikipedia is a popular edition - everyone can write all he wants. Be more serious!
So, the legal Ministers have never been in Estonia - its history is a real tragedy!
When I have some free time I'll verify the information about the Strasbourg cases I have and give You some link.
You are getting excited reading my texts because the truth disturb You in Your soul while You don't accept it in Your head, kullake ;-)...
Best wishes!
Thanks for revealing your true colours! After reading this response I doubt that any clearly thinking realistic person would take you seriously.
And about Wikipedia. It's true that anybody can add text and edit it, but important articles like that one about EU Court of Human Rights on Occupation of Baltic States is well sourced and you can't deny that.
Ooo, my frends are only really realistic persons! Free-minded, objective, serious, independent, conscious, open to knowledge...
I prefer the original sites - all teenages joke on Wikipedia. Wikipedia tells about the occupation of the Baltic states - it means that it isn't a serious edition ;-).
The Russian and Estonian vesrions of the Estonian history on Wikipedia are not exact - the omissions and deceptions are explicit - like Ruutsoo says.
It's sourced well. You can't add anything without a good source on such high priority articles.
And Baltic states were occupied by Soviet Union. Prove me wrong. Infact you can't since all you have is Russian sources. Face it. It's a widely acknowledged fact.
Way to go, lady! Nice peace of Soviet-type propaganda!
"Hitler's programms didn't provide the independence for Estonia but the extermination of the Estonians as a parasite rice incapable to protect one's territory."
Yes, but you seem to conveniently "forget" that it wasn't nearly as deadly for Estonians as Russian "liberation".
"The Estonian Nazis does their propaganda of the malsane ideas and deceptive facts of History to young people and children"
Of course, "Nazis" are those who didn't want to keep kissing Soviet boots while being kicked in the face, and "deceptive facts" is everything that doesn't fit with Kremlin's imperialistic agenda.
Oh, and of course, your blog in no way "causes to increase the racial hatred and intollerance in the Estonian society.". Right!
"Traitors to the people included not only active opponents of sovietization but all those who have fallen short of their political and economic duties, including the political duty of voting their countries into the U. S. S. R. in recent elections. Those who failed to have their passports stamped for so voting may be shot in the back of the head".
Ross, give the prooves to it declaration, please!
All Estonians who stayed in Estonia in 1944 saw the nazi flag, the Estonian flag was small and uder the Nazi flag.
Juti Oluots was a Prime Minster of the dictatorship - the dictatorship was illegal, that's why the action of Oluots was illegal too.
Before 1940 there wa only one party in Estonia - a puppet party of dictator. In 1940 other party was offered and all the people voted it with great plesure, because th dictatorship was a terrible regime - if we begin to count the victims of 1920-1940 we'll see that they are more than in the soviet period.