Estonian "democracy" – the right to free expression has only one who is thinking like President
By Helga on Wednesday, September 3 2008, 18:50 - Permalink
After the Georgian aggression against Southern Ossetia the Estonian Parliament began to write a declaration composed of insults of Russia, false accusations and lies, comparing Russia with Nazis’ Germany and requesting other countries to punish Russia – all this without a mention of the roles of Georgia and the USA in the conflict.
A party headed by Edgar Savisaar offered to eleminate the insults, lies and propaganda from this document and his party was deprived of the right to take part in a discussion in the next reunion of the Parliament (http://novosti.err.ee/index.php?26131875 - "Tsentrists have refuse to call Russia "aggressor"). This is the Estonian democracy: who is not agree with the opinion of the President don’t have the right to express own position!
Savisaar observed that the Estonian’s Government doesn’t have "enough diplomatic contacts" with Russia (!!!) and that the total information about conflict is insufficient.
The Estonian politicians says that the Russia has a Hitler-style behavour, without mentioning they use themselves the elements of Hitler’s ideology for the politics of repression, segregation and discrimination of the Russianspeakings in Estonia. Saakashvili wasn’t compared with Hitler even though his own history is signed of many assassinations.
The only independent of America party was put in silence. Later the party voted against the bizzar declaration.
The public opinion must know that a part of the Estonian population is not agree with the declaration of the Estonian Parliament. It’s necessary to add that the Russianspeakings of Estonia (about 30% of the population) have not their representetiv in the Parliament and in the Government and their opinion is never respected (the Estoninan Constitution and the Low of language deny the real access of Russianspeakings to the political life).
The Estonian President took a part in a manifestation in Georgia at Tbilisi (the capital of Georgia) with the Presidents of Latvia, Ucraina and Poland "jumping and hopping around Saakashvili and making declarations" – the President wasn’t authorized by Government, by Parliament, and by Estonian people to do it. The Minister of the Foreigh Affaires of Poland have precised that the Polish President gave only a "personal show" in Georgia and his opinion was only his personal opinion and non-reflecting the offical politics of Poland. The Estonian Government has omitted to make the same precision about the Estonian President.
A Russian politician Vladimir Zirinovskij accused Estonia in the partecipation in the war conflict – it seems some Estonians were entered into Georgian/American Army. It’s not clear whether the fact is truth, but it’s not a nice declaration for Estonia. An indefinit quantity of the Estonians came to Georgia and nobody know what they are doing there. Considering the recent brutal and inhuman militar game at Nazi Erna battalion, held in Estonia form 6 till 9 of August, we can suppose that its partecipant – amaturs of brutality and Nazis’ crimes – have left to Georgia after the game finish with aim to partecipate in real war conflict and to give vent to one’s instincts ispired with Hitler’s ideology. Saakashvili has refused to take the bodies of his killed sodiers – this fact conducts us to think that there are not only Georgian soldiers killed but the other nationalities/countries soldiers too.
The Estonian politichans says only about the integrity of the border of Georgia and denys the right to self-determination to Ossetian and Abhkazian peoples. They have fogotten that it was first Russia to recognize the independence of Estonia in 1920 and 1991 – when Estonia was born and when Estonia parted with the USSR. The Estonians are a small people like Ossetian and Abkhazian peoples are, their history resembles. The Estonian people should help and sustain other small peoples as logical consequence, but the USA propaganda sistem has tread on the Estonian history and has obliged the Estonian Parliament and Government to foget and refuse one’s history. Denying the right to self-determination of the peoples of Osetia and Abhkazia the Estonian Government is denying the right of Estonia to self-determination, it means the right of Russian Empire to integrity of its border and illegality of the self-determination of Estonia in 1920.
The Government of Estonia has organized a lot of manifestations supporting Georgia, its aggression into Ossetia, and exetrmination of civil population. There were used slogans like: "Putin and Medvedev must be judged", "Stop the Russian occupation". The slogans of opponents were: "Saakashvili, Stop genocide", "The usa and Georgia are new Fashists". "The Russians are Fashists" – cried participants and the Police didn’t arrest them, even such a frace is a crime based on racial hatred and intollerance. When some citizen cried: "Saakashvili is a criminal!", he was immediately arrested and taken away. The behavour of the Police mirrors the politics of the Estonian Government: who acts like President and according with his oredrs may compile crimes of injury, but the opponents may not.
The hatred of the Estonian politicians to the Russian people and their missing of the will to see the reality is dreadful. The omissions of the Policy and Gudge sistem are indescribable: public injuries and diffamations, based on racial and national hatred, are permitted to who is agree with official politics.
Some photos of the manofestations held in Estonia:
http://krishtafovitsh.livejournal.com/170602.html#cutid1, http://pilt.delfi.ee/album/84381/?view=blog , a video: http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/estonia/article.php?id=19576386&l=fplink . The high level of agressivity and explicit tension are present. Estonian is a real gun-powder-magazine.
It’s amasing that the inhabitants of Estonia are so much interested of the Georgia question, while there are a lot of grave internal Estonian problems: hunger, violation of human rights…
One Georgian representative made a public speech in English, inviting Estonia to enter into the war, asking for money and soldiers. The listeners applauded him a lot, because maybe they didn’t undestand English well. The representetives of a famous Estonian anti-Fashist organization "Night watch" were insulted: "Occupants, Fashists, tibly (an Estonian imprecation)", but the Police didn’t intervene to protect them and their right to honour and personal dignity (http://www.dozor.ee/?p=newsView&iNews=1953 ).
On the 14-th of August a group of the Russianspeakings of Estonia manifested in front of the Russian Embassy expressing the solidarity to Russia in the defence of the rights of Ossetia and Abhkazia peoples, and asking for independence of Estonia for Russian territories of Estonia, the slogan "The Estonian Russians have also the right to self-determination" (http://novosti.err.ee/index.php?26132214 ). This is an explicit signal to the European Union attesting the apartheid regime in Estonia, segregation, and discrimination of Russianspeakings. The Russinaspeakings of Estonia don’t get any help from the EU, that’s why they search help from Russia.
Considering that both Estonian and Georgian regimes installed by the USA use the same sistem of the repression of the undesired citizens, the problems are generally the same. Mart Laar – an Soviet and Estonian politician, a re-writer of the history and glorifier of the Estonian Nazis – is a personal councellor of Saakashvili, therewith it’s possible to presume that Saakashvili and Laar have elaborated together the programm of the war against Ossetia and the program of extermination of the Ossetians.
"Estonia is only for the Estonians", "Georgia is only for the Georgians" – this is the ideology of the Estonian and Georgian Governments, even if some of governators has not the pure local blood and can’t be called "Estonian" or "Geogian". Other nationalities are said to: "Baggage, railway station, Russia", even if they are not Russians and have never been there, even if they are ancient local national minority.
The European Union should begin to reflect: why the Ossetians and the Abkhazians don’t want to be a part of Georgia, why the Russianspeakings of Estonia don’t want to be a part of Estonia, why the Russianspeakings of the Ukraina don’t want to be a part of the Ukraina? The reasons are: ceasless violation of the human rights, proNazi and proFashist tendences of the Governments, interferences of the USA into the internal affairs and politics, missing of real democracy, acute suffering of the victims of the regimes, hatred of the sufferers to the regimes. Everyone knows that the sufferer wull alwas fight for own’s rights and justice – it means we all are upon a gun-powder-magazine.
The urgent mesures for avoiding some new war conflict could be: introducing more official languages (for exmaple, in Estonia such second language is Russian), ceasing of racial, national and linguistic discrimination, abolition of injust low (in Estonia – the Low about language and some articles of the Constitution), ceasing of linguistic repressions and destoying of the educational sistem for the Russianspeakings, ceasing of the USA interferences. In the Soviet time the USA used the Baltic states with aim to render the USSR unstable, now the USA do the same to render instable the European Union.
Only severe mesures on defending the human rights can stop the finger posed on the trigger which has a power to oblige the American, British, French, German and other EU cointries soldiers to fight against the Russian Army.
Comments
Your English is full of grammar errors.
"After the Georgia’s aggression to Ossetia´"
It should read "After the Georgian aggression against Souther Ossetia".
However, what do you think about the shelling of Georgian villages by the Ossetians before August, 8?
According to the UN Charter Georgia had the right to defend istelf. Did you know that the Ossetians began evacuating civilians before the war started?
The problem is not Georgians or Estonians - it is not even Saakashvili (he's just a little lunatic) but NATO. NATO is the real source of all these issues. They take advantage of every inter-ethnic problem they can find.
NATO has become the enemy of the world. Cultivating trust and good relationships between Russians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians and others - this is the best measure to counter NATO's aggression.
Thank You for correcting of my grammar mistakes.
I don't have the prooves that the Ossetians bombed the Georgean villages. The journalists write a lot of things but all this without prooves, that's why I go to the independent sites hoping to find the trustworthy information, there people say that the Ossetians didn't bombed Georgia.
It's not clear yet whether Russia bombed Georgia, it was shown Tzhinvali and journalist lied that it was Gory. Only one question is clear - the discrimination and violation of the human rights of the Ossetians.
The extermination of the Ossetians of the Southern Ossetia has been started in 1991, when the USSR crashed. The Russian peace-keepers are present in Georgia long time with aim to stop this situation. There were a lot of evacuations, deportations, exile, requests of help... Babel write that in Turchia are 100 000 Ossetians - more than in the Southern Ossetia ...
Georgia, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Estonia and other soviet counties proclaimed their independence in the same time - about 1991. Why Georgia was recognized as independent of the USSR and Ossetia and Abkhazia didn't? Why the right to self-determination is not the same for all? Seeing that Ossetia have proclaimed own independence in 1991 can we say that Ossetia is a part of Georgia?
Has Ossetia the right to defend own territory as Georgia or Estonia has?
I recollect there was a Convention about the right of the people to self-determination... more exactly: the Convention of a part of the peoples...
Olga,
please stop your racism. We all know the only reason people like you are self-segregating from Estonian life that you think yourself to be superior. This is a typical post-colonial mind-set.
My advice to you is to learn Estonian, get a job, marry an Estonian man, have children and grow them as loyal Estonian patriots, and everything will be okay.
Olga,
you have my support....don't listen to people like Advisor....stay the way you are....after all you are free to choose what you want to do and whoever you want to be......
Olga,
Don't listen to Vadimo, he only wants to use you as a tool to further his own political agenda, he doesn't care if you continue to be unemployed and childless. This political agitation will only lead to misery, death and destruction.
Advisor is right, we are all humans, Russians and Estonians too. Don't segregate yourself from Estonians, respect the choice if your parents to immigrate to Estonia, learn the Estonian language and love your new country. Follow this path and you will find happiness and joy.
How can you say that you don't have the right to free expression when you are expressing your opinion quite freely?
And how can you claim that Estonia is undemocratic when the second largest party in parliament, Keskerakond, receives at least three-quarters of its votes from ethnic Russians and has has taken a different approach to reacting to this conflict?
You can disagree, Helga, but don't lie.
Estonia has pretty much shut up since May 2007.
Georgia should follow Estonia's example.
Sorry to say, but I agree that the authors English is not very good. Writing with grammar mistakes takes all of the credibility out of this article. I personally did not even finish reading the article because of this.
Regarding Russians living in Estonia: My mother’s side of the family is Russian and my father’s side is Estonian. I was born in Estonia and have been living in US for about 10 years now. I agree that there is some animosity against Russians in Estonia that stem from WWII and the Soviet occupation, but many of the problems stem from Russians who are not willing to learn the Estonian language and integrate into the culture that they have chosen to live in. It is the same problem in the United States. Many Hispanics live in communities that speak only Spanish, so even after 20 years of living in the US; they have not learned to speak English. So it is no wonder that English-speaking communities are not willing to hire them for jobs that require basic language skills. Why should I, as a business, hire someone who cannot even speak to the customers that speak the predominant language in the country?
I learned Russian and Estonian when I lived in Estonia and I learned English when I moved to US. So did both of my brothers and my mother.
If someone wants to live in another country, the least they can do is learn the language, so they can contribute to the society that they live in. Otherwise, why not move back to where you are originally from, so you do not have to put forward the effort.
Culture is important to any country, so in my opinion, countries have every right to try and preserve their heritage and their culture. This can be seen everywhere in the world from US, France and yes, even Russia.
Young lady, please stop that demagogy! You're grossly misled or are trying to mislead others (but most likely, both).
If "the Russianspeakings" don't really want to live in Estonia, what in the world are they waiting for? Did Estonians force them into this country? No, it was the other way around - Estonians were forced out (by killings and deportations) from their lands so that Russian "liberators" could settle in their place. And now those "liberators" and their children and grandchildren dare to yell about "ceasless violation of the human rights, proNazi and proFashist tendences of the Governments" just because they feel too superior to learn the language of the country they've chosen to live/stay in?
Shame on you! Shame on you!
Olga you are... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful...
!!!
The Russianspeakings from the USSR were forced to transfer to Estonia in the Soviet time - there wasn't a free choice, if they refuse to go in Estonia they were sent to Gulag.
A lot of Estonians fled from Estonia in 1920-1939 in the time of the dictatorship of Pats, the Estonians were killed and forced out. The soviet regime in 1940 was a real paradise after the dictatorship. The lies about "USSR occupation" is only dirty American lies.
Every Estonian know that it is the lie.
In the Soviet time the Estonians were killed and deported by Estonians not by Russians. The Estonian communist-criminals are in the Government today - Mart Laar and andrus Ansip first.
TO ALLAN
I know my English is VERY bad and primitive. I began to do this blog having considered the extremily pathologic situation in Estonia and in EU. The indifference do worse than bad translations.
However, I try to translate with maximum precision, using primitive grammar forms
and indicating the links to the original articles - You can translate these articles by yourself and verify the information.
When I'll find a corrector-collaborator the texts will be better.
In the future posts I'll explain why the Russianspeakings and Russians don't know Estonian - there are some reasons.
The Hispanics can't be compared with the Estonian Russians - a part of Russians live in Estonia from the savage times, persons came in the Soviet time are mostly the victims of the Soviet regim - they didn't choose to emigrate to Estonia but were obliged by sistem (headed by communists of all Soviet Republics, not only by Russians).
Languages and knowledges are important, very important, all people want to know languages and try to do it. But it is not always possible, especially if the politics of the Government is aimed for apartheid and if the person has not a special talent.
Go into Estonian bookshops and watch manuals of Estonian - You can verify that the sistem of explanation is: "Guess the grammar rules by oneself" (there exist 2 good manuals of the base level reprinted from the Soviet time editions but it's very difficult to find it. The base level is insufficient to use the language).
TO HIRMUS ANTS
"the second largest party in parliament, Keskerakond, receives at least three-quarters of its votes from ethnic Russians" - there is not any control of votings in Estonia, how can You know how many "ethnic Russians", "etnic Estonians" and "ethnic Russianspeaking Estonians" voted for Keskerakond???
This party was deprived of right to take part in the discussion in the Parliament - is it a democracy?
Don't you worry, Helga. Soon Edgar Savisaar will become king of Estonia, and you can write lots of posts about what a wonderful, democratic country it is.
Olga
I fee lso sorry for you and its hard to understood how you can have so messed up veiw of world.. it's sad to read.
I & many Estonians & Russians feel deeply sorry for you.
Take care!
TO HIRMUS ANTS
I don't beleive Savissaar can be a right king for Estonia - he is a part of today's regime. We need a new king - some respectful scientist, very intelligent and wise. A patriot who makes politics not for money but for Estonia.
"...persons came in the Soviet time are mostly the victims of the Soviet regim - they didn't choose to emigrate to Estonia but were obliged by sistem (headed by communists of all Soviet Republics, not only by Russians)" --Helga
Yes, they were victimized by their own government back in Russia, but I have never heard of forceful deportations of Russians to countries occupied by Russia (doesn't matter if you call it the USSR or not). Could you provide some references that this was the case, and not that those Russians more or less voluntarily went in search of a "better life"?
And I didn't know that the "re-population" of the occupied (and partially "cleansed" territories was decided somewhere in, e.g., Tashkent and not Moscow, as you claim. Any sources for that information?
"all people want to know languages and try to do it. But it is not always possible, especially if the politics of the Government is aimed for apartheid and if the person has not a special talent." --Helga
So, you're saying that Russians in the Baltic states couldn't learn the language not because of discontent of the local people, but because the Soviet government was constantly (for 50 years) implementing apartheid policies against doing so? Wow, I never knew that!
And sorry to say that, but if a person cannot learn 200 words and 50 phrases during his lifetime to be able to communicate with the people (in whose land he lives) even on a most basic level, then it has nothing to do with a lack of a "special talent" - either that person has no respect for others, or he's a total moron.
And if we're speaking about post-Soviet time, why is it those foreigners from Europe and elsewhere who have come to live here can learn the language, but a Russian born in Estonia (for example) cannot?